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No turnover on start at all. Like how does this whole update thing work why didnt I have this update system on my 2009 328xi. when he took a test drive, the codes again cam back. When I read the code through ISTA, these codes are. Page 1 of 4 I guess I can continue to enjoy the car and see what happens or sell it. The oil and filter have always been genuine BMW. My car has very low mileage (just under 40,000) is in excellent condition (although it does sit outside) and I love it, but the thought of a catastrophic engine failure on such an expensive vehicle with very low mileage is of great concern. This is not a recall. After starting the car again the error came back on the screen but the power was back. How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? It appears to be a relatively simple, .5 hr swap. The I-level is newer than the I-level specified in SI B12 15 13. The documentation claimed that it would take one minute for the VANOS cold start faults to appear. Problem is, mine arent locked. 2013 BMW X1 E84 WITH N2O MOTOR 11400ML has reduced power output. Ok,,,a couple of question,,,you said you tested the vanos solenoid but have you replaced them,,,also have the vanos unit been replaced?,,,,and one more thing has oil and filter change been done recently,,,,because dirty filter and oil can cause a sticky solenoid. Thanks for your time. I live in France with an x1 e84 xdrive 20i (end of 2012) which does not seem to be on your list. Hello BMW Technician, I have a 2011 BMW 535i with N55 engine. I dont think they will take your picture as evidence,,,,but you could give it a try it wouldnt hurt, Hello- I have done my timing chain after finish car starts up runs but would not idle until cel come on. Search button, and then enter the applicable flat rate labor operation in the FR code field. My engine shut of while idle in park. I have a N20 Engine/ 328i April 2013 / F30, the dash states drivetrain malfunction and the check engine light went on. To set the timing properly you have to be sure the Vanos units are locked its end position, so its moving 1:1 with the camshaft. I can of course record my engine startup if thatll let you know the case). and if necessary, also Yes, for mine BMW was due to a fault to the timing chain tensioner. 130304 Intermittent VANOS (variable cam shaft timing) exhaust: control fault, camshaft stuck Is this true? Thank you in advance. Opened oil pan and checked pick up screen. My service guy called and told me to sell the car immediately because oil wasnt circulating through the engine and eventually it would seize. When retrieving BMW check engine light codes with an OBD II scan tool, proceed as follows: 1. also by any chance would you know the torque specs for this bolts? Just need to clear the check engine light. So I thing exhaust vanos is not working, or not working correctlycan I get in touch with you? Symptoms when timing chain fails is engine wont start,,,engine wont turn over,,,,have your mechanics see if he can turn the motor over by hand with a breaker bar on the front crank bolt. The improved DME software was introduced 131401 vanos exhaust cold start not controllable In sports mode, or when driving more active in doesn't come on. Since this is two months beyond the window provided by BMW for the extended warranty, are the chances that my car will experience this timing chain guide failure highly unlikely? Everything else works perfectly at 176,000km. 176000km is only 110000 miles, that is a shame that such a nice compact power house(N20/N26 that is) can go bust in such young age, BMW really should step up and recall all the affected N20/N26 with defective parts. He indicated it was a timing chain waiting to fail- do you agree? Ive change engine mount, spark plug, coil but problem is the same. charger. 'nhUO}gFXA}_+7"F.\ztVw@%/`>vny#(`YN:2ed_zI.. I got a few drivetrain malfunctions last week: 131501 vanos, intake, cold start; not adjustable 120408 reduced power mode. I hate to take it to the junk yard. Even though work time labor operation code 61 00 006 ends in 006, it is not considered a Main The details of the settlement if approved by court will extend timing chain and oil pump drive chain to 8 years/100000 miles(which ever comes first). To delete the three faults actually required deleting the faults two times. F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership : BmwTech 2 Posted by 2 years ago F30 N20 drivetrain malfunction after timing chain replacement at dealership Hey guys, I have a 2014 F30 with the N20 motor and the only mods are the dinan stage 3 tune and a dinan fmic. Im getting error codes 120408 Charging Pressure Control: Switched off. cover and expose some wires and by moving around stuff they was rubbing together and i had the battery connect at that time too.need some help please thank in advance, Ok,,,,you said you smell gas and black smoke out of the exhaust, and you have wiring harness damage to Dinan piggy back,,,I would think this is your problem the harness is damaged and can be causing your problem with the fuel injectors dumping to much fuel into the engine,,,you can remove the spark plugs and see if they are fuel soaked to verify this problem,,,,I dont know if you can remove the Dinan piggy back and put it back to stock.,,,I hope this helps, Update on my car was other human error wrong timing was locking the camshaft with lobs facing down, i correct it and veh stated up right away..THANKS for taking time to assess me. 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I tried to reset vanos with no success. Ok heres another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. Also after cold start also misfire error pops up. I manually crank engine over few time but after start it always goes retarded on exhaust cam shaft. Hello! Page 2 of 4 So I have an US 2013 BMW sdrive28i with 109k miles build date 02/2013. If it is not on the list then it is not covered under that bulletin,,,but BMW does have some other programs,,,you need to go to the dealer and have your key remote reader performed and it will say if you are covered for any timing chain defects. Maybe the function test is different with cold start faults present. I own a 2015 X1 with a manufacture date of April 2014. The year of 2012 was a year of impending upgrades in . He discovered it was the engine to chassis ground strap. Just realized the cut off is February 2015, not 2014. Ok the charge boost pressure fault is related to the vanos faults,,,,the vanos faults could be a couple of things but since you just replaced the timing chain maybe the timing is not correct on the intake vanos unit? I have maintained it meticulously. possible oil pump chain broken? Yes that crack in the timing chain guide should be enough to replace the timing chain and guide rails,,,,the way we decide if the car is covered is by whine noise,rattle noise,broken pieces of timing chain guide,,,how before we get the extended warranty that is hard to say,,,it all depends on the legal side of the lawsuit Im sorry to say. So for the E89 Z4 only the 28i N20 powered model is affected and not the 20i sDrive? Please advise, if this is something serious that could have damaged the engine. I have a 2013 N20 engine in my X3 and want to remove the actuators to either clean or replace. Im more concerned with the multiple vanos codes which happened after the fact. E84 and E89: As you can see theres is nothing special about these vanos unit,,,,when I was checking out the engine I also found the exhaust vanos unit,,,,one of the bolt were broken,,,,so I replaced both vanos unit and had to find TDC on the engine and time the engine,,,,while performing this job,,,,,I also removed the oil pan and removed all the broken pieces from the vanos units,,,,,so they dont roll around in the oil pan.,,,,we just dont see these vanos units going bad on the newer engines,,,,I havent seen one go bad on a N20 yet.,,,,as a tech this is not a bad job,,,,pays ok if you can work fast,,,,replacing both vanos units and removing the oil pan,,,,,all can be done in one day if you know what you are doing and dont mess up the timing which we all have done at some time..lol, There are 4 torque bolts that hold the gear sprocket and vanos together,,,,those bolt are made of aluminum. (with CAS) He believes that its not enough oil pressure in the tensioner therefore is not tight as it should be. Thank you, No still would be concern,,,,I dont know if they used a different timing chain guide before 6/2012. Hello BMW technician, I know there is a lawsuit going on with N20 timing chain in NJ District Court Hi bmw technician. Would you suspect this is more related to the software reprogram or is the timing off? It all depends are your production date of your car,,,you can also tell the dealer about this bulletin. The intake cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0/-8, -20/-20, -10.4/-10, -20/-20 and -10.4/-10. Sorry there are no replacement bolts for the N20 vanes unit that I know of,,,,,yes they are aluminum,,,the N20 and N26 vanes unit are not common to break not like the older one on N51 and N52, No, no Reset codes and adaptations without increment wheel. You are correct almost all the problem are in the States,,,all the engines are built in the same plant,,,there is a good chance that the fuel is the cause of these problems,,,,yes it is a good thing your car is not on the list. SHAME ON BMW!!!!! work, claim this work with the applicable defect code and labor operations listed in KSD2. Looks all good. Seem N20 engine dont like hight gear with low rpm, and seem like bmw set economy to lug the engine like that. which consists of the last 7 digits of the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN). Location: Chicago. So temperatures make difference. 131401 Intermittent VANOS (variable cam shaft timing) exhaust cold start not controllable The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still Thats a good possibility thats the timing chain issue. And yes the crank wouldnt rotate after being inserted. The connector may have a removable cover. 3: 130304 VANOS (Variable camshaft timing) exhaust: control fault, camshaft stuck I was told by a mechanic that the engine was done, simply by information from a scan. December 2013 2D56 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached I assume that the f31 328i RW could also be affected ? The warrantee was in place until 2019. It is a total mystery (to me) as to why it works now. Think I'll avoid this. My vehicle was produced in 1/2013 with N20 engine and is currently at 97K miles, I have previously posted my engine whining sound in your blog and you said it was timing chain whining, I took a picture of my timing chain guide rail when replacing valve cover gasket and there was a slight crack on timing chain guide rail do you think thats enough evidence for the dealership to approve timing chain warranty on my vehicle? 01-18-2020, 01:07 PM #2 mandd Autobahn East Join Date So I stopped at the nearest possible place and connected my reader to the car. Here is a video of whats happening today. Next day car returned to BMW with propulsion light . I took it to the dealership for a diagnostic test and check-up. Nope,,,,its up to the dealership to make the call for BMW if they will fix the timing chain issue on your car under the TSB. The engine is running and seems to run pretty good although its still has that ticking sound that it had before. My car has very low mileage, is in excellent condition and I really enjoy driving it, but this potential catastrophe has me concerned.Thank you for your time & expertise. Replace the solenoid that the code followed. also it has a start stall initially. Thanks! Now getting error 131501. During highway driving the car drives fine. dtc are 131401 and 131501 . module. Also how does a dealerships diagnose if a vehicle is eligible for extended timing chain warranty? Here the vehicle was driven only at SP98. Looked at my timing chain and there seems to be some play in the chain. But, it will need to be adjusted and tested properly using genuine BMW software. The process of deleting the faults and restarting the car was performed many times. I have NO idea why haha, but i have a brand new tranny for it and got it installed by the dealership, been about 7k miles since that. https://youtu.be/Frj0a82XfDo, He did not notice any whining- but do you hear whining in this second video? I dont know if failing VANOS system should give any data to computer and should show somekind bad data or shouldnt show anything. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: It has never been in an accident and the body is in excellent shape. Hello! 96K views 5 years ago The BMW N54 and N52 typically have the most issues with this. Or turbo charger, Do you guys fix the issue ?! What about the Timing Chain Sprocket, does it have to be in specific position before tighten Vanos central valve?! This is a common issue on the N20 engine. Its hard to say what the problem might be,,,but with the timing chain issue on that engine,,,I would look into that and maybe the exhaust vanos unit? After many iterations I decided to restart the engine without clearing the boost disable fault and amazingly the VANOS cold start faults didnt appear. 2D57 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Position not reached Even if the engine is warm it still gives these same fault codes. They unlock only when oil pressure is applied. Any suggestions on what to check on the Vanos for the 131501 code? Is it possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve, spring and check ball for cleaning with the VANOS unit in the engine? 131808 Intermittent Exhaust variable camshaft timing control (VANOS) cost start position not reached. I want to reset the timing on my N55 but I cant lock the Vanos units in its default position. So your car software level is July of 2019,,,,this is when it was last updated,,,so your car has fairly new software. Now how I understand it is this is not a timing issue. code:131501 VANOS, intake, cold start: not controllable. Is this related to the new engine I got? N20 Vanos Solenoid Valve BMW tech info says the cams need to be locked down to remove the Vanos valve. Bringing the BMW community together. WARRANTY INFORMATION Jul 8, 2020. Hello there, loving your info. BMW like to keep some things to them selfs,,,,they dont want to release any information if they dont have to. It revs fine but with the turbo disabled a drive around the block is at a pedestrian pace. Nic. 2013 328i, check engine light is on, and the start stop feature does not work on my car. Four months later I got a drive train malfunction that turned on then went away after a day. I thinks it just some random fault that comes up. Hello there. Did this on the intake side. Or will my timing chain, etc. The spark plug have nothing to do with this problem,,,,they would cause misfires,,,I would think you should get some kind of signal from camshaft angle,,,,are you sure everything is plugged in correctly, Hello, My exhaust cam is retarding to the most far point , I time the engine with kit, locking crank, cam shaft and vanos. I have a 2015 x1 with an April 2015 manufacture date. Had mechanic put on Autel code reader diagnostics and got 10 or so codes relating to things such as the dinamic stability control, fuel pump. Yes it does not say no signal. E89 i took it to a euro car guy that i know he flashed the transmission and that solved the problem, did you get it sorted I, having the same faults. I say bad engineering or a BMW scam? The first start up gave many more codes but I have cleared the fault codes several times and these two appear along with the consequence fault code of 120408 Charge pressure control off. Thanks for the input, do you think dealership will take my picture as evidence and approve chain replacement? When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. . Cloning means making full copy of ISN files from original DME and copy it over to use DME, So what happens if the ISN files are corrupted and you just copied it over to the other DMEare the pins damaged on the original DME ,,,or are the connection on the harness damage,,,,we just had a car last mouth where the harness was damaged for the fuel injector signals causing fuel to dump,,,the harness was damaged on the connector for the DME,,,you might have to perform OHM test on the harness to make sure the harness and connections are good. My question is, when I remove the central valve, will the timing chain or sprockets will slip their position? This seems correct, but I'm looking to avoid removing the valve cover. another repair, use the Plus code labor operation 00 00 556 instead. Disregard my question. I am quite surprised to see that in Europe there is no one who has reported this problem, whereas with you in the United States it seems very frequent. test drove car, get a few codes. What's even more exciting about the N20 engine is that this four-cylinder engine is capable of generating a stunning power of 240 HP and a sizzling torque of 260 lb-ft. Owned Program. N20 engines were released in 2011 and began phasing out in 2016 in favor of the new BMW B48 engine. N20 vanos unit broken Posted on April 6, 2016 by bmwtechnician Ok here's another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. Was it how the faults were cleared that made the difference? Hi, I recently bought a 2012 X1 xDrive28i. I know I might be looking at replacing Vanos Actuator, central valve or the whole vanos unit. to model implausibly too high . Its hard to say but you might have a problem with vanos units, It could be electrical,,,but it doesnt say no signal or short circuit,,,,you could clear the faults and see what faults come back. I personally know of one person that had a total loss on their X1 engine in Saskatchewan back in 2016 before BMW Canada acknowledged a widespread issue with the timing chain on the N20. It definitely isnt a prominent/dangerous rattling sound like in the video Jack posted on Aug 30. Ive been told by dealership that timing chain is tight and has passed their test. Thanks! I have a f10 2013 528i x drive with 105k miles on it , The engine makes a rattling noise when cold and its not as loud when the car warms up but when driving at around 1-25 mph their is a whining noise coming from the engine. ISTA says these errors: There are locking pins integrated inside the units. What me be causing this? A service advisor at a reputable independent repair shop was concerned about the brief rattle/stutter (5 second mark) in this video upon ignition. Whether the engine is cold or warm, the VANOS faults appear within 15 seconds of startup. No car manufacturer is going to tell you the problems with their car,,,they are just worried about the sale of that car,,,,not what is wrong with that car. Hi I live in California and im planning to buy a used 2015 bmw x3 xDrive28i (F25) then I saw the this post. Hey, I have a 2014 BMW 428i (F32 with an N20 engine) it is just under 70k around 61,000 I believe and it looks like it was manufactured in 9/2013. E84 and E89 Rather it is no cost extended warranty in Canada. I learned that if you touch the neg and positive battery cable together while the battery is disconnected it clears the light. Tried new battery. I dont know how serious this is,,,but your mechanic is right to remove the valve cover and inspect the timing chain and guide rails,,,,if that is ok the check the exhaust vanos unit and intake vanos units,,,,your faults are for the exhaust side,,,the boost charge fault is due to the exhaust vanos faults. 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